“Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.” Romans 12:21

During my training for ACBC certification, I had the privilege of being trained by Dr. Robert Smith, a founding father of the Biblical Counseling Movement. Having Dr. Smith (Doc as we all call him) in the room was incredibly helpful, but at times, intimidating.

Doc had a rule – if he had to interrupt and ‘save the session’ then that counseling hour did not count toward your supervision. There was a lot of motivation to make sure Doc didn’t interrupt. It wasn’t that he liked to interrupt, but if he thought you were going down the wrong path, he cared more about the counseling session going well than you receiving credit for your hour. One time, in fact, I remember him stopping the session, looking me in the eye and saying, “Josh, I’m not sure you understand the meaning of Romans 8:28-29.” I replied that I thought I did, and he retorted, “No, I’m sure you don’t.”

In another session, we had a similar encounter, but he gave me a bit more leeway. I was talking with a married couple who were fighting a lot and kept treating each


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